Jeffrey Weil wrote:Danny, my point was its not right to trash peoples work, that they are proud of, sight unseen only because the medium they work in or the subject matter they use do not measure up to "art" by some people on the forum. And that it's not going to help the exchange of information if some of the people here are constantly insulting the largest group of professional holographers in the world.
What is your point? That collectively the people on this board have done so much for holography that its ok to do just that?
Hi Jeff,thank for all your contributions to holography!
Why such a snarky comment? All I'm doing is defending myself and my work from attack. Attacks that have been totally uncalled for. I've not insulted anyone here. But I always have to read stuff about how embossed stuff is s***.
but that is not true. I have been in holography since the 80s and seen it go up and down,
I was referring to people like myself and ron that do this full time for a living over long periods. On your page you list yourself as a web designer so you have not been in holography full time since the 80's. When I first posted my defense you emailed me asking in I needed any web work done. When I told you I didn't need any but thanks you come back to this thread to trash me.
and with many of the new developments from (your all) types we can do short runs of embossed stuff at home,
That made no sense. Please show me your desktop embossing machine in your house. You must be confusing that with something else.
and thanks to many of(your all) types we can make good holographic plates at home . and thanks to many (your all) types, what was once hidden is becoming common knowledge. I think the field of holography is wide open and very much alive
Once again, that made no sense. I NEVER commented on this board about what it was doing or it's worth or anything like that. All I was doing was asking people on this board to stop shitting on my work only because of the subject matter and media (embossed).
Whats everyone else's opinion on this? I've been making holograms for decades day in and day out. All professional real jobs. Do I have anything to offer on this board, or should I go away in shame because I do the unspeakable? I make holograms that are not art in some peoples eyes on this board. And if so, should all the other holographers that are not considered artists by this forum leave too?[/quote]
H i Jeffrey Weil
my point here is not to trash you, but hoping you can see the big picture, and I have found when your so focused on defending your self that all you will see!
1 making embossed holograms is a art, and what the common public miss is the time and money that goes into the making of a h1 and h2 to come up with the master plate, many times in teaching holography the public think the emboss holograms represent holography and that they can be made very cheaply and its the job of the teacher to open up their eyes that the embossed holograms is actually a 3 to 4 generation hologram. and that the real work is done in making the h1 and h2
2 there are many in the arts that are pro's in their field that have to subsidies their income to make ends meet, but i would still consider them pro's,. when i was starting in the photography field a wise person told me always have a backup in a field close or compliments the one you love to do.
3 this has been a ongoing problem for holography the split between the 2 groups artist/and commercial holography. which are both hurting right now. so my purpose it to get us focused on the bigger picture to overcome this problem
