Long Red Lasers for Holography...the Classic!

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For folks starting Holography perhaps the best starter laser would be a polarized HeNe laser. After much discussion we have concluded that the coherence length of long powerful HeNe lasers is as good as that of say 5 mW length heads...long Helium Neon lasers still have a decent useable coherence length and excellent beam quality, reliability and are now affordable used. Once several modes span the gain bandwidth with mode sweep during a standard length exposure there is NO difference in coherence length with increasing resonator length. But you get allot more POWER! YEAH POWER! :) See the for sale page if you are interested in buying one from 1 mW to over 40 mW. Long live Helium Neon Lasers! Phil and Sam

PS See this topic (Long Red Lasers) on the For Sale Page for an interesting discussion of these issues. The correct answer to the coherence length question is not so obvious. :)
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I would like to think that you are referring to this:

http://nlutie.com/ewesly/CoherenceWeb/C ... e2013.html
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Hi Ed, You have spent much time making measurements and the experimental results are interesting. :) It would be cool to have a long path interferometer and make direct measurements but that would take some real space!

Sam's latest conclusions on the laser FAQ site are based on theory and tempered by his experience with more than a few HeNe lasers...observing mode sweep on SFPI's etc. Once you get the tube long enough to get several modes they span the 1.5GHz gain curve and then coherence length is just C/bandwidth so can approach 20 cm? So maybe 15 cm to be safe? What does the experiment say for 5 mW and 20 mW lasers?

Real lasers can have some non TEM 00 mode contamination...a few %. So the actual coherence length (useable) could be less. Most well aligned HeNe's are fairly clean and close to 100 % TEM 00. We have a nice like new 17 mW REO that is specified at >99% TEM 00; should be a good laser for holography but the 40+ mW ones should have the same coherence length as the 17 mW one...we think. No?
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Here is a picture of the coherence length holograms for a 5 and 20 mW He-Ne's. Check out the link above to read the background on how they were made.
From the link earlier in the thread.
From the link earlier in the thread.
The coherence of the 5 mW seems to come and go, with definite nodes placed 70 cm apart. The coherence of the 20 mW sort of comes back but nowhere near as bright or even usable like the 5 mW, with the nodes 52 cm apart. Pretty close for practical purposes.

The zero path length distance is slightly to the left of the line in the center of the bar. The Gaussian distribution of the light is also evident. There is approximately 20 cm on either side of the zero path that is usable for making holograms with the 5 mW, plus/minus about 17 with the 20 mW. I would guess the 40 mW you have for sale would be similar to the 20 mW if the tube lengths are about the same.

During the run of the experiments, 3 or 4 holograms were shot at different exposure times, in the 10's of seconds for both of these lasers. They all looked pretty much the same.

It is great to hear that Laser Sam is also looking at this phenomenon. And sometimes someone has to actually look at what happens in the lab!
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Hi Ed,
This is all coming together. Dinesh just added a nice theoretical post that points to the same thing after you do some calculations; in the limit coherence length is C divided by bandwidth. Tny modes with no light don't count. Modes sweep across the gain bandwidth curve with temperature changes and HeNe laser exposure times are long enough that instantaneous linewidth of say 2 mode HeNe lasers is not really useable. Yes experiments are still required :o but the thoery is basically correct. 8-)

Now dammit Jim...who wants to buy a laser? :geek:
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The first coherence period for the 5 mW and 20 mW lasers appears very similar. Unless someone would need a long path length difference to acheive some special effect everyone uses the first coherence period to make holograms so...little difference save power in the two lasers and power is good...shorter xxposures, vess vibration effects, alignment drift etc. !

I have a really nice 17 mW REO lab system that may have had almost no use. looks new in the factory box with manual. $500 plus shipping soo to be listed here on the for sale page...:)
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Since I am interested in HeNe lasers, single frequency lasers and also holography I have gone out of my way to buy and test some low cost green lasers and stock a few tested blue lasers suitable for holography. Any holographic beginners interested in a proven laser may contact me or see the for sale page. :) Best! Phil
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