Sigh........
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:37 am
Um...
>>I feel that if anyone here wants to become commercial, they should state it.
Ok. I want to become commercial.
Not that it's actually going to happen, around here there's about as much market for art holography as there is for fluorescent pink butt-prints on irrigation motors. The next time I get back with the beam I think I'll try doing some cool little religious icons and see if anybody likes those enough to give me a couple dollars for one. Or I'll just give them away. Lately I'm fiddling with large format photography and anodizing and still can't seem to remember to cut a chunk of film to mail to Michael, and am nowhere near rationalizing the cost of the equipment for doing DCG. I might actually be able to make enough money doing anodizing to pay for the equipment and supplies I bought (<$150), but the cameras will probably always be a losing proposition.
If we'd never shared ideas we'd still be eating the bugs we picked out of each other's fur.
John, keep posting, good idea or bad, technical info, silliness, whatever.
Dinesh, you've been an incredible fount of information, but don't forget that when an aficionado is seen as knowledgeable or expert it takes some of the load off the rest. Much of the technical info you post is so far over my head I can't even hear it go by, but that's no reason to stop.
If some glean info from this forum and use it to make money, so be it. Couldn't Tesla have been defined as a hobbyist that ended up making money? It happens. If I post an idea and anyone takes it and makes money with it, they should feel obligated to cut me a token check when the net income passes the seven figure mark, based on how much the idea had to do with the final result. shrug If I post such a thing here, neither Dinesh nor anyone else should hesitate to seize upon it. In another venue I might patent or sell the info, but not here because I see a larger purpose in this and it is inevitable that some will give more than they take, and vice versa. I'm assembling process info in another discipline that I hope to sell later, but that field is already self-supporting.
The market for non-essential items has been poor for the last couple of years, a thing I am painfully familiar with. I'd wish upon Dinesh and Joy a lucrative GM or Ford Aerospace contract, but have no more contacts to initiate such. All I can suggest is trying to enter a few more niche markets, preferably those that already exist, as I've been doing in my own field. Remember to avoid confining yourself to a "holographic-only" position...
Competition in a narrow field can be problematic, as you've found.
I could go on for another few thousand words, but I'll just say this:
Some people will come here looking not for information on making holograms, but where to buy them, or more importantly, have them made. Why is there no "Buy Holograms" link right up at the top, where those people can find it? Designated for commercial sales (legal business entity) only, perhaps only for sales by actual holographers rather than resale shops, even if Dinesh is the only one listed. If we want to keep holography alive, shouldn't we make at least a minor effort to support one of our major contributors?
Jon (holodisc) had much to say on this subject, and while I didn't agree with him on every point I do miss the occasional grenade-in-the-stewpot.
-Gary
>>I feel that if anyone here wants to become commercial, they should state it.
Ok. I want to become commercial.
Not that it's actually going to happen, around here there's about as much market for art holography as there is for fluorescent pink butt-prints on irrigation motors. The next time I get back with the beam I think I'll try doing some cool little religious icons and see if anybody likes those enough to give me a couple dollars for one. Or I'll just give them away. Lately I'm fiddling with large format photography and anodizing and still can't seem to remember to cut a chunk of film to mail to Michael, and am nowhere near rationalizing the cost of the equipment for doing DCG. I might actually be able to make enough money doing anodizing to pay for the equipment and supplies I bought (<$150), but the cameras will probably always be a losing proposition.
If we'd never shared ideas we'd still be eating the bugs we picked out of each other's fur.
John, keep posting, good idea or bad, technical info, silliness, whatever.
Dinesh, you've been an incredible fount of information, but don't forget that when an aficionado is seen as knowledgeable or expert it takes some of the load off the rest. Much of the technical info you post is so far over my head I can't even hear it go by, but that's no reason to stop.
If some glean info from this forum and use it to make money, so be it. Couldn't Tesla have been defined as a hobbyist that ended up making money? It happens. If I post an idea and anyone takes it and makes money with it, they should feel obligated to cut me a token check when the net income passes the seven figure mark, based on how much the idea had to do with the final result. shrug If I post such a thing here, neither Dinesh nor anyone else should hesitate to seize upon it. In another venue I might patent or sell the info, but not here because I see a larger purpose in this and it is inevitable that some will give more than they take, and vice versa. I'm assembling process info in another discipline that I hope to sell later, but that field is already self-supporting.
The market for non-essential items has been poor for the last couple of years, a thing I am painfully familiar with. I'd wish upon Dinesh and Joy a lucrative GM or Ford Aerospace contract, but have no more contacts to initiate such. All I can suggest is trying to enter a few more niche markets, preferably those that already exist, as I've been doing in my own field. Remember to avoid confining yourself to a "holographic-only" position...
Competition in a narrow field can be problematic, as you've found.
I could go on for another few thousand words, but I'll just say this:
Some people will come here looking not for information on making holograms, but where to buy them, or more importantly, have them made. Why is there no "Buy Holograms" link right up at the top, where those people can find it? Designated for commercial sales (legal business entity) only, perhaps only for sales by actual holographers rather than resale shops, even if Dinesh is the only one listed. If we want to keep holography alive, shouldn't we make at least a minor effort to support one of our major contributors?
Jon (holodisc) had much to say on this subject, and while I didn't agree with him on every point I do miss the occasional grenade-in-the-stewpot.
-Gary